The Not So Late Show - Episode three

We are back with special guest and legendary artist Spencer Chamberlain to talk a little Underoath then dive right in to slo/tide

and the latest single Lay Low!

John Byrnes: [00:00:00] Good evening and welcome to The Not So Late Show!

We've got a great show in store tonight with special guests, Spencer Chamberlain.

Tonight's show also features the latest single

from slo/tide- Lay Low,

But first without further ado. [00:01:00]

Please welcome your host Crypto Kyle!

Crypto Kyle: Okay guys, welcome back to the show, episode three. Thank you John for the intro, man. I know you're not feeling, uh, up to par, uh, but man, I really appreciate you coming through. Now get some rest. Thanks for being here, but, uh, skedaddle, it's time, it's time to rest up, man. Uh, for those of you don't know, John has been fighting something over the last couple weeks and it's just time that he needs to, uh, you know, take a break and, uh, get his voice back but he drank loads of tea and got that announcement segment out of the way. So thanks for doing that and, uh, you know, it's been interesting kickoff to this show so far. Uh, you know, Juan over here, uh, has been able to talk for, you know, really [00:02:00] almost, almost, uh, eight weeks now. Um, of course that's before the show started, but either way, what's that?

Juan Okay's pulling up the cue cards right now. I don't know why he has cue cards. Okay. Um, So, okay, so the first one says, I may have lost my voice because my team is awesome. All right, what's the next one say But you, you didn't lose yours. When your Eagles lost. Wow. . Thanks, Juan. Thanks buddy. I appreciate that.

Um, yeah, let's, uh, let's not give you cue cards anymore, Carl. I don't, I don't know why Carl gave him cue cards, but, uh, let's avoid that situation. Uh, but it's been an interesting couple of weeks. A few things we missed across the board, uh, having a chance to talk about, but I dunno if you guys [00:03:00] saw this. Joe Rogan, uh, had a guest on that was talking about some lost fossils in the East River up in New York and has sparked a sort of bone rush.

Everyone from amateur archeologist in divers to people who just need some extra cash are jumping into the river to state claims to the riches. Rumor has it. At first, Rudy Giuliani wanted to get in on a second gold rush, but he then realized that most of the skeletons in his closet are actually in the East River.

Um, yeah, unrelated news, army hammer was seen saying it's mine and jumping into the river in full scuba gear. So, uh, there's that. And of course, In Michigan now, uh, not my home state, but you know, where I've spent a lot of my time. A child has ordered over a thousand dollars of GrubHub, $400 worth of [00:04:00] pizza.

Gosh, I guess GrubHub was really understanding. They, you know, sent 'em some vouchers. They re refunded the amount, but I just have a hard. processing. Why I Grow Up, went into that trouble when obviously it was the parent's faults. I mean, could you imagine if the kid got into a Tinder account and caused all kinds of havoc?

Is Tinder gonna come back with a voucher? I mean, come on. But, uh, , you know, all these things going on. We've missed the ball with the balloon, but you know, there's still things popping up all over the place. Uh, last week, you know, we weren't on the air, but. We did receive a message from our correspondent Fred Anderson, who found a video, uh, from the weather balloon.

And, uh, this is what he said. Uh, he sent us a telegram. It says, uh, I can confirm that it almost reached the top of the dome. [00:05:00] Stop. Okay. Uh, send help. Stop. Found some cocaine. Stop. Cocaine in the Pacific Ocean. Stop. Uh, okay. Um, yeah. So, uh, if you guys hadn't seen this, apparently 300 million worth or 3.5 tons of cocaine was found in the Pacific Ocean, uh, which apparently is enough cocaine to supply Australia for an entire year.

When we reached out to Australia to comment on this, all they had to say was,

That's not cocaine, this is cocaine.

And then of course, we had none other than Mike Tyson who wanted to weigh in on the situation because uh, you know, why not?

Not Mike Tyson: Yeah. Let me tell you something about that 3.5 tons of cocaine they found in the Pacific Ocean.

Crazy man, can you believed that 3.5 tons. That's like, that's like a whole lot of weight you know what I'm [00:06:00] saying?

Crypto Kyle: I think we know what he's saying. But, uh, anyways, uh, LeBron has surpassed Kareem Abdul Barr's record of 38,386 points scored while at home, and he did this all while Kareem was in the building though Kareem is not mad about his fellow Laker taking the top spot in other news.

In New York, a Long Island woman was discovered alive in a funeral home after being pronounced dead. I mean, there's gotta be a way to double check these kinds of things, like mirror under the nose, uh, maybe a needle in your hand.

I know John was telling me that there used to be bells inside of coffins because this sort of thing would happen regularly. Um, I'm just gonna say it here for the record. Take notes when you bury me. Bury me with a cell phone from each carrier in both Android and iPhone, just to make [00:07:00] sure I can get connected if I need to but that's all we have in the way of news. Let's keep this show rolling.

So you may know him from bands like Under Oath, sleep Wave, or this runs through here to talk about his latest metamorphosis. Spencer Chamberlain, happy to have you here, man. Thanks for coming on the show.

Spencer Chamberlain: Hey, thanks for having me, dude. Stoked to be here. Appreciate it. I can't believe you even know about the high school This Runs Through that's great.

Crypto Kyle: I'm a huge fan of, your brother as well huge Sullivan fan.

Spencer Chamberlain: Oh, cool.

Crypto Kyle: Like all that stuff.

Spencer Chamberlain: Right on. Dude, we all started, I was the youngest in the group, so my older brother. Yeah. I think the coolest thing about growing up the way that I did being the youngest is I was always surrounded by music that none of my peers were listenening to. My older brother and all of his friends were always like the ones that are listening to the music and were in bands and I was like watching them, from the staircase or [00:08:00] whatever, and like writing my own music. Eventually I got pushed into all their bands. We had bands our whole life. They weren't always heavy, you know there were rock bands and I guess punk bands and poppier stuff and heavier stuff. It's just being kids. Like we always, I think I played my first show. I think I played my first show where they actually sold tickets to it. I was like 12 years old.

Crypto Kyle: Oh wow.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah. So it's been my whole life. But This Runs Through was one of the first that got signed and known outside of North Carolina, which is where we grew up.

Crypto Kyle: That's awesome.

Spencer Chamberlain: That, and it was pretty short-lived. I mean, it was grueling to a bunch of kids that like, gotta live in a van and we would come home from that and immediately ha, go do drywall with the guitar player's dad. Cause we couldn't afford to not like, you know what I mean? Like you couldn't afford to to be on tour like you get enough to play and like maybe eat a little bit and fill up the gas tank and move to the next place.

You know? So, and then you come home and I would be up at [00:09:00] six in the morning the next day doing drywall in Florida, which is terribly hot. And I actually did that. So like I lived at our guitar players who ended up being the guitar player of Sullivan later. I lived at his parents' house.

In a bedroom with him and his and my brother at the time, . And then when I started working with Underoath, I stayed living there for the first year or so when Underoath was still like playing the nobody except for like maybe Florida in Atlanta or something. But we were like playing pretty small shows all over America but we were like hitting it hard, you know?

And we had just made the record that hadn't come out yet. And I think by the time I got. Like the second or third time I'm doing that, like living in my friend's parents' house and now I'm no longer in his band anymore. And I'd come home from being gone for 10 months and I was like, man, I'm gonna have to do something about this.

So I ended up [00:10:00] getting like my first apartment on my own. Like I moved out when I was a little kid, but I got my first apartment on my own when I. . I think after chasing safety came out I was like, okay, like I gotta have a place I guess. So

Crypto Kyle: time to grow up.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah. But it was weird cuz you're never, we were at that, the scene back then and just music in general back then, like before the streaming era, you cut your teeth on the road.

Like you were a better live band than you are a recorded band, which is flipped now for a lot of the younger generation. I feel like it's easier to be great in the studio cuz we have all these tools at our disposal now and just be not as good live. But back in the "Back in our day" we, you had to be really good live and you would never have enough money to make a record sound good, but you're proving to the people, like when you'd go open up for someone and that's how you got fans. Yeah. And people would come by the merch table so you were touring all the time. So it was weird to get my first apartment on my own. Like I lived, I moved out right when I could, but I was like living my brother and his friends,[00:11:00] but when I got my own apartment, it was weird. Cause I'm just like, what do I do with this? I'm never home, like we're gone all the sudden. I guess I need a coffee, man. You're paying bills. Yeah. You pay, you're paying somebody to store a. that you sleep in, like maybe two months total of the year.

And, uh, a couch on the TV and like, put your stuff somewhere . It's like, okay, whatever.

Crypto Kyle: And obviously that's where a lot of us first met you was that album. They're only chasing safety. I was kind of recollecting, my experience with that album I had purchased like a special edition like a year after the album came out. It came with the bonus tracks and the dvd.

Spencer Chamberlain: Right?

Crypto Kyle: I remember Tim getting taped to the Killswitch Engage vocalist and all this crazy stuff. Great album. But, I remember it was the song, I Got 10 Friends and a Crowbar that Says You ain't Gonna Do Jack. That was a song where I told my buddy, I literally looked at him. I was like, Spencer's bringing something different to the table. The, they're doing things different.

spencer: Yeah. Yeah. We recorded that song. We [00:12:00] recorded that song after too. I think the first record, there were some songs on chasing safety, you know, I took the reins on as far as the, but like most of it was coming in and I, you know, I'd always been the leader of every band I was in, even if I was the youngest.

And then coming to Underoath, you know, that they had a singer before. . Even though like when I came in, we had so much work to do. Like we were tiny. I mean, we were still doing the VFW hall thing in a lot of places and 50 kids showing up, but like still coming in and being like li I mean it's clearly a group here, like I gotta find my footing.

And I think it took the first record for us to get there. It, wasn't till Define The Great Line to where I think we found like our place as far as a group of, what it was, cuz. , you know, even though we wrote chasing safety together, they had started some of it before and then, most of that was scratched.

But there was definitely like a start, you know, a jumping point, wasn't until, yeah, I would say 10 Friends and a Crowbar... [00:13:00] We, we went and recorded a year after touring on chasing safety for about a year. We just knew that chasing safety didn't, the way we were alive and that, that was a huge thing that, like a growing pain for us, is that we hated the way the record sounded like, not that it, not that we weren't proud of it, just that it was like, this isn't us, you know? If you saw us back then, like a lot of kids saw us live before they, they got that record in their hands it was probably a shock because it was way more violent live and just in your face. And then the record was super polished. But for a bunch of 18 year old kids, not in control of the way it sounds in the end, it's like we make a record with some 40 something year old producer dude, and then it goes to mix and there's a company paying for it. It was a weird place. I think looking back on it is like little kids being like well it sounds good.. It's not really what we sound like, but it turned out great. To me it's [00:14:00] cringey but, you know, I, I get that. It's a, it was a great, nostalgic thing for a lot of people still to this day, and I'm proud of everything we've done.

But, that's where that shift was and I think that started with 10 friends and us just like wanting to be more creative.

Crypto Kyle: It's a great song and here we are 20 years later almost, which is crazy.

Spencer Chamberlain: Almost

Crypto Kyle: my buddy Brad and I just saw you guys on this last tour was Spiritbox. We saw you in New Jersey.

Spencer Chamberlain: Oh, cool.

Crypto Kyle: It was crazy every choral moment, every sing along moment from every album across the catalog. People were full force, just belting it out and it was a crazy experience.

Spencer Chamberlain: It's wild. It's a testament, you know, I of of how rad the fans are, and I say this a lot is our band doesn't talk about like, everyone's really humble, which is great, but it's almost like poisonous. How humble, like, like we like think. we're the worst and no one gives a shit [00:15:00] anymore. And all that kind of stuff goes around the bus a lot.

And it, it's cool to see even the, the more negative dudes be like, man, did you hear how loud they were singing in Hallelujah? Which is like off of our newest record. They were singing Louder and they were singing, boy Brush Red, which is our biggest song, I guess, but it's just our oldest, our oldest hit song, I guess. We do notice and I think that's cool that the guys that would never talk about that notice, because I think that is fuel, you know, it's, it's gas in the tank. It makes people wanna continue to work harder on the new stuff, cuz. . You do see a lot of bands that only rely on the old stuff.

And the cool thing about Underoath is like every tour has gotten bigger. Which is just not the case for a lot of bands in our scene and I think that's cuz we were always evolving and like whether Lost in the Sound of Seperation is your favorite or Voyeurist or "Chasing Safety", there's something for everyone and we always play everything that we can we're never gonna be like, we're never gonna play stuff off chasing safety cuz now we make these artsy, heavy, [00:16:00] whatever you wanna call it we're always gonna be like, no, you know, those kids help us build what we have now we're not gonna not play it. I don't enjoy necessarily playing song of "Chasing Safety" cause I've been playing them, like you said, almost 20 years. It's for the people that bought the tickets and when I'm standing out there and I feel the way that they're excited that we're playing, like reinventing your exit or something, and you're like, this is awesome because they are having such a good time.

And that's that's everything. You know? So, to see that people react just as hard to, on my teeth and hallelujah as they do boy brush red and writing on the walls it is just so much gas has been put in that Underoath tank like when we got back together and then we did the biggest tours you'd ever done we did that Rebirth tour and then the next tour is even bigger. The Erase Me tour and then the Voyeurs tour Post Covid, it's, , the fact that the band is still growing and evolving. We're looking at okay, cool. This isn't [00:17:00] just something that happened that we're still just like going back and let's play the hits. It's cool to be like this. I can see this band going for another 20 years. If, the way that people are responding and reacting to the material across the board definitely makes it easier for the band to create more you're seeing people be stoked about the stuff that we're stoked about, not just stuff from the past and that's great.

Crypto Kyle: Well, it's cuz you guys keep putting out good music, so if you weren't putting out good music, that wouldn't be the case.

Spencer Chamberlain: I, I appreciate that, .

Crypto Kyle: Yeah, I know it's a weird thing to have somebody say, but, Erase Me and Voyeurist are, are both excellent albums. So is Disambiguation and all these other great albums.

So, I love what you're doing over there. Of course, we're here to talk about Slow Tide, but I wanna ask you a few questionsbefore we move there, because if I don't ask any Underoath questions at all, people will kill me. No, they probably won't kill me. .

Spencer Chamberlain: No, dude. I talk, I mean, I, I am, I am me. You know, I talk about everything, you know, I don't, there's nothing's off the table.

Crypto Kyle: So, album you're most proud of. I know. That's a tough one.

spencer: Well, okay, [00:18:00] in this, it, it's tough because, oh, I could say every single one for different reasons, depending on how I'm thinking about it. This Slo/tide record that hasn't come out yet. Cause it's my first solo record and I played every instrument on it except for drums.

Cause I've got great drummer friends. But I did play some drums on it. I'm just, drums is not my strong suit. I, I play every instrument, but that's not my thing. But that's pretty huge for me. And I've never done a full on solo thing cause I was always been like, A little nervous that the hardcore metal community would crucify me or hate me or whatever.

But then I stopped caring about that, because I've always written music in that lane. I've just never put it out. And I've worked with lots of artists in that lane and never really, you know, um, and even before Sleep Wave was the thing I was doing, like, kind of like that started as like a Radiohead ish, Coldplay ish, like piano rock thing.

I was working on during Underoath, and then as Underoath started to break up. I [00:19:00] scrapped it all and decided to make something more heavy cause I needed that in my life still like that heavy outlet. So I kind of switched gears last minute as the band broke up and rewrote the whole thing. But just besides the point, so there's the thing about me that says, I wanna say the slo/tide Record is my first solo record, but then this Voyeurist that we made was our first self-produced record and as a band, as far as we have gone to be able to produce ourselves and not break up again, . It, it takes a lot of trust and a lot of love and understanding, and that's a really hard feat. Um, and having the balls to do what we did with, to find the great line when the easy home run would've been. Just make Chasing Safety Part 2, and, and be big like Story of the Year or The Used but then where would we be now, that's what everyone was expecting us to do.

Like less screaming, more singing. I can just sing the whole time and not scream at all. And now we're at mainstream, you know, but we did, we, we just like, I don't know. So I could say something about every record that we've done but I, I, [00:20:00] it's hard to say because it's like, oh, you're just talking about the new stuff because of voyeurs being self-produced and slow Tide being my first ever solo record.

I would say those are the things I'm two most proud of right now. But, you know, the, but when I think back on time, like Disambiguation was a huge thing. Like just stepping up in like, Andre's not gonna die, and I'll show you why. And the band's still trudging through it.

Crypto Kyle: You killed it on that album, man.

Spencer Chamberlain: I appreciate it.

Crypto Kyle: You killed that honestly, is, it's, it's hard for me to say that's not my favorite album.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah?

Crypto Kyle: A close tie to Voyeurist

spencer: Yeah. I, I love that album. Um, and then there's parts of me that go lost in the sound. You know, and I was in such a dark place on those two records, but pulling through with what I did, and what we did as a band, it's all stuff to be proud about.

But right now, I would say Voyeurist in and the so slow tide record that hasn't come out yet just because of where I'm at in my life now, but, That's a hard question to answer. I know it is. That's why I asked it.

Spencer Chamberlain: [00:21:00] I would say

Crypto Kyle: you always give somebody inner turmoil. Yeah, that's creative. Cuz you're like, well, I like this and I do it.

I know when I go looking back at things, I'm like, man, I really didn't like that. Then I go back and listen to something. I'm like, why didn't I ever put this out again? Because you just like, you're like, wait, this is actually pretty cool. Yeah. No, that's great. Uh, favorite song to perform? Another tough one.

Spencer Chamberlain: I really like to perform Hallelujah right now. because of that newness of seeing the crowd react to something that new and that end breakdown is super fun. That's tough. I really like performing illuminator pneumonia and like casting such a thin shadow, like the songs I'm playing guitar on.

Those are a lot of fun. But if you were to ask me today, like what I'm looking for, like we leave for tour, I leave, I leave tomorrow for a festival and then come home and then go on tour. It was fun playing when we were playing I gave up that was cool off of Erase Me It's the last song and it's p like kind of a piano ballad.

It was cool cuz they were rolling out [00:22:00] a piano and I would play the piano and sing and. and that's something we've never done in under oath. That was, that was a fun thing to do. Just cuz it was different for us, like very off-brand for us to do. like if i did it with Slo/Tide, it makes sense. But with Underoath it was like a cool moment.

Sure. And I broke the shit that was climbing all over that thing on the heavy parts of that song. That was just cool cuz it was just like another thing to, it was just a cool thing to add to the set. , I think

Crypto Kyle: this is the last tough. You got all these great collaborations with Matt from Emo's Not Dead. You got Sleeping With Sirens. Who's your favorite collaborator?

Spencer Chamberlain: There's someone on the Slow Tide record that I can't say yet, but that was a lot of fun. Matt Cut, Matt Cutshall was sick because it spawned this relationship that we ha like I hear from him like once a week or once every other week, and we did that we did that song. during the heat of covid, like the thick of covid. I like, and once [00:23:00] we, like we did that all over the internet. And then when I flew out to LA and met him in person, we just, it was like a lifelong friendship that we made and like we just did that cruise with them.

And I talked to him all the time and he's such a solid dude. Like that guy deserves all the success that's coming to his way cuz he's a good person. Like you can, when you just get the vibe that someones just genuinely kind and they're, they do care about the right things and they're a hard worker, like all that stuff he has so even that song's just kind of like a funny song and it's, I'm only in it for a minute. Like, that was, I think about that because of the friendship that I made, there's other songs I've collaborated with that maybe I'm more. . I don't know. I'd have to think about it. There's some that haven't come out yet.

There's someone that I worked with on the Slo/Tide record that sings he's a feature on my record, but super cool. When I met him and his band and we worked together, it was a, we created great relationships there as well. I'm a relationship guy like [00:24:00] I've done a lot of cool songs and worked on a of cool stuff, but if there's not, I just think if I think about stuff that I've done over the last couple years, I always think about Matt just cuz we, we do have such a good friendship but man, I'm trying to think.

That's cool. It's cool that he's doing, cuz it all comes from a, it all comes from a fandom

Yeah.

Crypto Kyle: Approach so it's like, it, it's like utmost respect and, humor, which is just great.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Uh, the humor is great and the Sleeping with Sirens stuff like I've known some of those guys forever, and that was fun to work on that. Cause I really like, like half the song wasn't done when I got, when I started to work on it with them. So that was cool. Cause it was, I was, I was really hands on with that one.

There's others I'm just not thinking about. I typically don't work with people that I'm not friends with.

So as brief as possible, new record label, MNRK New track coming out March 3rd. Yeah. Link to pre save on Spotify [00:25:00] is in the, uh, podcast notes obviously. Anything you can share any behind the scenes what to expect I like the preview sounding pretty wild.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah and dude, the song is super dope we're approaching things a little bit differently on this record. I think it's gonna work out really well for us as far as like our mental state and our relationships with each other and our work is we're doing things very hyper-focused. Cuz normally we get together and we write for a long time and then we go lock up in the studio for two months and make this full record and by the end we want to kill each other and we've got some tears, we've got some blood it's like people are angry and upset and some people, there's a lot of emotions that go into a record, which is good, but also it can be counterproductive.

Like we overcook a lot. I feel like as Underoath. Like we overthink sometimes and like there's some songs on Voyeurist the demo is better than the final because we butchered it because we just tried too hard to make it cool or make it this [00:26:00] or make it that. And I think what we're doing right now is exciting to me because it's like we're doing things in little CHS and it, it's exciting and this is the first taste and you know, we of the next chapter of Under Oath, and I mean, all I can say is that it's gonna be one of those fun ones to play live.

I think people are gonna like it. I really, I truly. It's another step progression forward from Voyeurist, in my opinion.

Crypto Kyle: Well, I feel like you guys are always evolving. That's kind of been like the only thing you can expect. There's always an evolution from album to album, so I'm excited to see where it goes.

Spencer Chamberlain: We're never, the people that can write the same thing twice cuz it's just. We would be unhappy.

Crypto Kyle: All right, well we're moving on to the goods now. So I noticed the water trend. We had sleep wave before we have slow tide now is water something that uh, you pull creativity from, find rest in is it innate to who you are as a person? Where's this name come from?

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah, number one, it's hard to name a band nowadays cuz [00:27:00] everyone's copy written everything and every social you can imagine is already grabbed so it makes it super hard yeah is just , I don't know I feel like I probably had a better explanation for this.

I grew up in the water, like probably most of us did, and I just, I don't know. I think I find it just so mesmerizing that there's parts of the world that we don't know about. It's underwater, and it's, to me it's replenishing, it's it, yeah I do find a lot lyrical inspiration from water stuff, terms, I guess terminology and like, I wish it was a smarter way, I can say this, but it's inspiring to think about how things just the way that the ocean is, it's like you can just sit there and look at it for hours and, and find some inspiration from it. And it just happens to turn out that most of my things, I've done have water names but yeah, there was a lot of that going on in disambiguation too, and a lot of you, I guess in my brain somewhere, like I was a struggling addict for a long time and just with drugs and [00:28:00] alcohol, I think you kind of feel like you're drowning all the time anyway.

So I feel like that's always in my thing is just trying to stay afloat when you finally catch that wave, I don't know if you've ever been surfing before, but that feeling, oh wow and then you ride it to shore. Right and I think that's like, I've always been kind of treading water and drowning cuz I was, I was an addict for so long, but I finally like caught that wave to get out of it when I decided to change my life and it's something that I always think about. I guess it's just like how I was able to, to get through all that shit and I'm, I don't know, I guess just the water inspiration is just a visual for me, I guess when I'm sitting there write, like I like to write with pen and paper if I can, but I'm always like kind of doodling and like drawing stuff in the, a lot of that is like water based. I don't know why, I guess I should have a better answer.

Crypto Kyle: Water's kind of like mysterious because it's one of those things that it's either super [00:29:00] calming and amazing, or is extremely terrifying and creepy.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah. , it can be extremely violent, you know, and it can be extremely peaceful and it's, it's pretty wild.

Crypto Kyle: Can you describe your creative process with slow tide and working on these new tracks? Going from initial concept demos, tracking it out, how has this process been maybe even next to what you've experienced in the past?

Spencer Chamberlain: I tend to save anything heavy. Like Riffage, uh, that kind of vibe whatever Underoath you want to call it. I save that to do with the guys there's four of us that write in Underoath it's myself, Aaron, Tim, and Chris and like we've tried to do the, like everyone works on stuff separately and then we bring it together and those songs tend to be the out of place one's in a bad way, you know, like [00:30:00] not the right kind of way. So we kind of got to that conclusion when we were just starting to work on voyeur as like, let's not bring any solo songs in and squish it into Underoath and Underoath it like, let's, let's work together and like we did back in the garage band days. I think that allows me a lot of spare time to do things in my brain that's not heavy, which is kind of where this spawned from, is that I've got a lot of, it's like I've always writing music, you know, I've got a lot of stuff that I want to do that doesn't really have a place in Underoath and I don't really wanna work on anything heavy when I'm not with the guys it just leaves me a lot of time for creativity and during Covid, which is when I wrote most of this stuff, I, you had nothing else to do. I remember talking to my brother and, and he was like, dude, you know, like if I were you, you know, like you're a musician, what are you gonna do if touring never comes back?

What are you gonna do? [00:31:00] Sit around and wait for the Underoath guys to wanna work when some of those guys have three kids in a side business You need to be in control of your own shit. And that's kind of why I was like, I wanted to do something solo because I wanted to be completely hands-on and not in like a bad way, just in like, I wanna be able to pick and choose and control when I do what I do as far as.

That stuff goes. So I just started writing I just sat down I maybe start with a beat or whatever, but I just start, that's how I always do it just some sort of idea. And then I pick up a guitar and then I'm off to writing vocals once I got like a little bit of a, of an idea of where the song sonically is going I just kind of catch a vibe with it and then just start working. Um, and I, and I demoed out all this stuff in my house. I did two demos in California with my friends, and then I. [00:32:00] The rest in my house. And like, it was like right before lockdown and then the rest I did, I think the last one I did, I was like getting on a plane as it was getting weird , you know, like, and then I, and then I got home and then it was like, oh yeah, we're never leaving again, and live music is done forever. So

Crypto Kyle: it's some scary times.

Spencer Chamberlain: I was like, well, if, yeah, and it's also like if live music never comes back, I better be able to just create, you know, so it wasn't, it was an inspiring time.

I took the scariness and flipped it into something. I want to give equal attention to as Underoath like I don't view it as an online project or a side project to me, it's just an equal part of me it's just new it's not my side project. It's my other band.

I did the whole thing at home and then right after we recorded Voyeurist, I went to my buddy. . Um, I went to his house cuz he's a great producer and he's got really good gear and I trust him a lot and he's just got a [00:33:00] good year for things. And I was like, dude, here's all the demos I have.

They were demoed out, like I could have released it, but I was like, here's what I got. I need two or two or so weeks and I want to come and. Just throw me through the ringer I don't like sometimes you don't know you might have your head in tunnel vision, so I was like, I I could be crazy, but I feel like this shit's really good so I went to my buddy Micah's house and we just built the record as, as I would an under oath record, just, but I'm just playing everything, you know. We, we definitely ran into some things that were like, this could be better.

Like, let's rework this, this sucks. This is incredible and it was like what I needed if I'm gonna step out as a solo artist I wanted to have other eyes and ears on it. I wouldn't change it, you know, I, I've been sitting on it for a minute and I, and I'll, you know, go through the Dropbox and listen, like, yeah I still wouldn't change anything on there. So [00:34:00] I'm feeling stoked about it. And it is I don't expect it to be under oath. Fans are gonna like it. If I were to sell out for money I would've just made a metal core band, , you know what I mean? Like, cuz then every under oath fan would've bought it or at least most of them, I didn't want to do that and I don't care about that kind of stuff. Like, I wanted to make something that I wanted to make. It. The people that know me know I'm not just some like metalhead dude. I've never been that way. You know? Like I grew up listening to grunge and my parents' music, which is like The Beatles and Led Zeppelin and all that.

Pink Floyd. And then the grunge thing was like me and my brothers. And then that spawned into at the same time we were listening to the Deftones, we were listening to Radiohead and Coldplay. Or, you know what I mean? Like I've never been like a had put on like converge and. Put on a col, a blusher run of the head from, you know, like back to back.

Like, I've never been a, a hardcore kid and I've never been this kid or that kid. I've just loved music. So I've always created in different worlds. So I just [00:35:00] wanted to do something that was a hundred percent me. Like, what is me without? Underoath and that like energy and that vibe of what we, you know, Underoath is gonna be a heavy band and that's what's gonna be forever.

You know, like whatever that means, obviously it evolves and it changes, but like, it's always gonna be that thing that we started when we were young and it's got that energy and we're gonna go this way, you know? But me, it's just an artist as a songwriter, like, what do I want to do? It's like, I wanna do stuff that I wanna listen to that I, you know, I don't really listen to a whole lot of heavy. bands.

I'm always around it? So I kind of was just like, what inspires me? What, what makes me feel good? Like, what do I want to drive my car to? What do I, what do I wanna chill at the beach to, or go skating to? I just made music that I wanted to hear. So I try to do the same thing with under oath is like, if I'm want to hear a heavy song, what do I want it to sound like?

And that's what I'm try to go for. That's it, you know, it's really, it, it's like, . I don't listen to a lot of heavy music anymore, but [00:36:00] if I do, what would I want to hear? So let's go for that. And this is what I did with this is I love, I don't know which genre you wanna call, slo/tide, like alt or indie or alt rock, indie rock synth pop or whatever.

Alt, there's so many different labels now. It's, it's confusing. Yeah. Whatever you wanna call it. I, I, I have a lot of peers in that, in, in artists I look up to as well. And. Um, music for that jam on the regs. And, and I just go, well, if I were in control, what would I want to hear? So I just sat down and made that, you know, that's cool.

See where it goes.

Crypto Kyle: That's very cool. When you go back and you listen to, some of these songs as you're waiting to pick out which, which is the next check you're gonna release or, or what have you, is there things you go, oh, okay. I wonder, like, do you often wonder maybe where the influence of something came from, I'll have a playlist that has heavy metal rap, pop all in one thing for a road trip.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah, of course.

Crypto Kyle: That helps me with my creative side because I'm always thinking [00:37:00] not in one, one layer. And I imagine that's the way you are listening to so many different types of music,

Spencer Chamberlain: I don't really typically think about where. The inspiration comes from after it's done. Cause I've, I've worked so hard on it. I don't even remember where I started half the time, you know, . But I do, I do like, just like you, I like hip hop to pop to rock and metal, everything. I, the only thing I don't really typically jam on too much is country just, it's just not really insane. Yeah. I mean, but there's guys in band,

which sounds great. Live.

Yeah. Which is super funny to me. Yeah. Live country music sounds awesome, but I just don't like

spencer: listening to the country radio.

Yeah. It's not typically my go-to, but I don't really listen to it at all. I'm not saying that I'm a hater either. Like someone can show me a country song. I'm like, that's a great song. But typically, I'm listening to other stuff for sure.

Crypto Kyle: Anything that, you listen to that maybe people wouldn't expect?

Like for me, people look at me and they hear me listen to hip hop all the time. They hear me listen to metal [00:38:00] when I tell him, Nick Drake is one of my favorite artists. Like, who the heck is that? Is it, I don't you got any of those?

Spencer Chamberlain: Well, I don't think there's anything that's super surprising or at least doesn't seem like that to me, but maybe like I do like some of Justin Biebers stuff I guess that's kind of surprising. Yeah, I'm, I'm a believer. Yeah.

Crypto Kyle: for sure, for sure that's funny.

Spencer Chamberlain: Especially more of his, he's, uh, maybe not like his old stuff but like some of his newer stuff over the last, I'd say since 2015 or so on, like once he like kind of matured and like found in himself.

Crypto Kyle: Well, Benny Blanco's a great producer. Then you got John Bellion is an awesome writer as well that's not one that I would've guessed at all.

Spencer Chamberlain: I can appreciate, a Taylor Swift song or a, or a Miley Cyrus song, you won't see me putting it on, but like, if it comes on, I can, I can be like, oh, this is, this is actually super dope.

Crypto Kyle: With writing this album, I know you were writing it during, this covid, primarily probably the lockdown, I would imagine. Cause there was like a, a solid year where you couldn't do anything it seemed like. Did you experience any time of, creative blocks at all? Or, or, or were you just [00:39:00] in it and just kept rolling.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah, I definitely didn't feel the blocks, but I definitely felt frustrated at times of what am I even doing? Like I, but I didn't, I never got to a point where I like was like writer's block or anything, or, but there were times where I was like, maybe I'm crazy. I shouldn't just delete this shit like I've got a million songs that I call 'em Dead on my hard drive, which is just songs I poured my heart and soul into that no one will ever hear. And that I've got probably more of those than I have song out..

Crypto Kyle: Wow.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah. That's crazy to think.

Crypto Kyle: Lay Low your latest single that you dropped, the one I messaged you on, cuz I was like, whoa, what is this this is amazing. Very cool song.

Spencer Chamberlain: Hell yeah. I appreciate it.

Crypto Kyle: We're gonna go ahead and play that now and we'll come back and talk about that track.

Man, Lay Low awesome song! I love the build, I love the vocals, how much fun did you have creating and mixing the song? I love the way the vocals are ethereal, almost swirling around everywhere it seems.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah. Yeah. [00:40:00] We, cutting the song is fun. That, that one's a, like playing it on the guitar, I rehearse even though I don't have a my live band yet, cause I don't really quite need to until there's a couple more songs out.

But I rehearse with the stems, so , I'll have the mic, so I'll have the vocals and the guitars muted and have the bass and the keyboards and the drums on. So I, in my studio, like I rehearse all the time. And that song's fun just to play guitar too in itself. And, that one came. It's funny because that one was originally that vocal idea.

This never happens by the way, so I was doing some writing for some other people during Covid, and one DJ asked me to do like top line, which is called Vocal. Like you write the lyrics in the melody. A lot of times you sing it and then they replaced you with someone else, like a girl or whatever.

Whoever's popping right now and. I wrote that I got his track and I wrote the vocal and that melody almost did one or two takes. It just came outta me so fast. [00:41:00] And I was like, holy shit, that's, I really like that. So then I muted the track they gave me and started writing my own song and

Crypto Kyle: that's awesome.

Spencer Chamberlain: It did change a lot. And it was only like, it was just the very first little section there but It did inspire the whole song. And then I had to, I ended up rewriting that, that pre-course that's got that like strokes, guitar kind of thing going on. And, rewrote that in the studio when I was cutting that song, because the pre-chorus just didn't hit the way that I wanted it to and Micah noted, noticed. Mike was like, I don't know. This seems too samey and, and we just deleted that section and just started like, jamming in, in that was just like, that came out and then inspired that whole vocal there. So it, it was a fun song, that song to track. And it's, I think it's gonna be a fun one to play live, but I'm, I'm saving the even catchier ones for later, as I built this slo/tide thing. Like I'm sitting on some of the like, and all the songs are like I Bangers or bops or whatever [00:42:00] people call 'em . But I'm proud of all of them, but I'm like, I'm sitting on the ones that are like even catchier I guess, because I don't, you know, there, there's not a lot of people following it yet, so you gotta kind of like get there, I guess so.

Crypto Kyle: How many songs in the bank, how many songs are you planning to, release for the, for the total.

Spencer Chamberlain: There's 11 songs. Mix and mastered right now for the record. So whenever I print the vinyl, it'll be those 11 songs. I'm already starting to kind of mess with more, but I haven't gotten these out yet.

I guess the next steps is just building this, trying to build it online so there's enough demand there to play and, and to work on the live band to make sure it's, I'm a live music guy, you know, like I want, I, I'm not gonna play a show unless the band that I've got with me and, and what we've worked on is taking the record to the next level.

Like how do we present it live to where it just is like, wow, that's cool. Not just like dude's playing and. You know, whatever. So you're right. That's kind of, that's kind of where my head's at now is like I do have some ideas floating [00:43:00] around for album two already, but I'm being the album one not out I'm kind of like, how am I gonna do this? And who's, who am I gonna get to play with me? And I've got different things in my mind of like what I'm gonna do, trying to build a cool live environment for it, you know, it's one of those bands that's, it's gonna be like more of a lifestyle thing. It's, I want it to be like a community and a feel good place for people to be and hang out, be a part of like the whole thing right now I'm doing is I'm doing all the emails, I'm responding to all the people that are.

Commenting and normally it's your label or your manager doing all that stuff when people think they're talking to the band and 99% of the time they're not. What's cool with it being this new, it's not to the point to where I can't keep up with it. So I'm like, it's fun for me right now. Cause I'm like, I am.

I am commuting with, kidding With these people that are jumping on board this early. It's like the VF W Hall days. It's just, we're doing it online. It's if you're posting about it now, it's like wearing the shirt to school that you were at the VFW Hall show last night. It's just a dif, it's just a different world.

So like people sharing it, [00:44:00] sharing the song, showing their friends the song like streaming the song, all that stuff helps. And it helps me build this community where I'm like, people signing up online, like putting their emails in, like they're getting emailed once a week from me, and like I'm doing like giveaways and gonna probably let some people hear some songs early and stuff just by signing up and just trying to build something cool for people that wanna be a part of it.

And then, I don't think it, like I said earlier, I don't think it's gonna be just Underoath fans, I think there's a whole the world is massive. There's so many people that listen to music and the heavy music is such a small percentage. I think some Underoath fans will come over, but I think most of the people that will like this are people that don't necessarily listen Underoath I think there's a market for it and a place for it. It's just about getting it out there and connecting with those people, which takes time

Crypto Kyle: I think be doing it the right way too, cuz like you said, it's a grassroots. Movement and for me to just hit you up and say, [00:45:00] yo, I love what you're doing I'd like to talk about it if you're down, you responded absolutely pretty quick. I was like, dang. And when you start getting those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Yeah, it's hard. Your best friend can message you a hundred times and you might not even see it. Yeah. It's crazy to be able to have that account and start from the ground up, I think is really the way to go.

Cuz you're able to, and not that you're selling everything about yourself to everybody. But getting to know you and know that this is something that you're wanting to push and get people behind is I think is pretty awesome.

Spencer Chamberlain: Yeah. I mean that's, it's, it's really fun for me and I think that's the whole point of it, is doing something that is truly me that I believe in and just lean on into it This is just what I want to do. And I think, and it doesn't take away from under oath or anything, cuz under oath when you get to that size, you have to do less is more with a lot of stuff.

You can't show up every, like two times a year, three times a year on tour because then people just, [00:46:00] oh, I'll just catch 'em next time. Everything has to be an event. And that's just how it goes. So gives me a lot of time to work on. Yep. .

Crypto Kyle: That's true, man. And like you said, it's it's one of those things when it's yours and it's, and it's what you want it to be there's not all this extra, obviously there's critiquing, but there's not all this extra work, trying to make it seem what it's not, it's just, yeah. Not, this thing exists as, as what it is. And, and that's what it is.

Spencer Chamberlain: I wanna build it into something that you. and, and I think it's cool that it does take time, but I am excited I don't expect everyone to like it, but I don't want it to go by. Like, when I did that sleepaway projects, like by the, before it was done, people still didn't even know I existed. You know? Like that's, that's tough. It's like you could hate it all you want, but at least having the opportunity for people to hear it.

You know what I mean? When you see. Not even 5% of the people that follow you have heard it yet. You know, you're like, there's a lot of work to be done. And [00:47:00] granted, you don't expect every under oath fan, like I said earlier, to come over. But like there's a lot of people that I've touched and met in real life that don't even know it exists yet.

I'll talk to more kids on this tour that maybe have streamed the song already. That's fine. It just, it's, it just takes time to build this stuff. And I'm not a big online I'm not a big online social media guy. I've never have really done that.

I've never really pushed that. So that, that, that's a little bit of a hard thing cuz I can't quite grab everyone that I've ever really had follow me because I don't, I never did the followers thing before. Did the whole Instagram,

Crypto Kyle: well, social media that existed the first round of under oath was basically nonexistent now, I mean, Facebook's the only one that's still around, and I think that was barely around and I didn't do any of that. I didn't do MySpace. I didn't do Facebook. I didn't have a sidekick on tour, like some of the other band dudes that wasn't part of what I wanted to do.

And then Instagram [00:48:00] came out, I still wasn't like, ah, I like the mystery like you were talking about earlier, but nowadays that doesn't work. So you gotta put some

effort into it. Yeah. People wanna feel like they're part of what's going on. That's a great way to do it. But, I love the music man, I love both tracks so far.

I'm excited to see what's coming next. I appreciate you coming on the show, man. Absolutely love it. Stay safe out there. Have fun on tour. I think me, my buddy and I are gonna make it onto this next tour. I'm not sure which location yet. I live in Philly area, so we have a lot of options.

Yeah. Hell yeah.

Spencer Chamberlain: Come out to a show, man. Let me know if you do and I'll try to link up. Give a high five.

Crypto Kyle: Absolutely. Well, thanks for your time, man it's been a blast have a great day and we'll see you out there.

Spencer Chamberlain: Awesome thank you.

Crypto Kyle: What a legend for being on the show. Shout out to my team Juan, buddy, I hope you can talk next week. John, I appreciate you Zim, my buddy Nick, coming through with the animations and turning our guest into, [00:49:00] um, Killer killer cartoons. That's all I can really say about that. So, uh, guys, tune in next week.

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