Our latest episode features a very special guest, none other than Nessy the Rilla himself, who has just launched his new project, Op3n Minds. This multi-talented artist and primate is taking the music world by storm with his unique blend of hip hop, R&B, and soulful melodies that are sure to leave you wanting more.
John: [00:00:00] So
we've got a great
show in
store for you tonight with special guests, Nessy the Rilla.
Tonight's show will also feature his latest release on Sound.xyz[00:01:00]
First zip up and hang tight please welcome your host,
Kyle Barron.
Kyle: Well, welcome, welcome, welcome to the not so late. Good to see everybody here. Uh, John, boy, big John. It's been a couple weeks, hasn't it? Uh, yeah. Yeah, it
John: has, it has
Kyle: been a couple weeks, Kyle. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, man, it is good to be here. Band sounded great, Juan, by the way, man. Looking sharp buddy. Uh, Kyle, what, what is that
John: you're doing there?
Is that Elvis? Yeah. What do you mean? What do you mean? That voice? Uh, that's, that's not your voice. That's Elvis's.
Kyle: Elvis's voice. Well, uh, I appreciate that you think it's that good, but I gotta tell you what, I got stuck in the cyclone of Elvis, uh, memorabilia and shows and television and all that. Uh, I started watching, uh, that new show with a Matthew McConaughey, which does a terrible impression of me, by the way, almost as bad as this one.
And, uh, Elvis, not Elvis, you just said [00:02:00] me. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry,
John: Kyle. Kyle, look at me. Look me in the eyes. Absolutely. You're not Elvis. We needed you to snap at us. We have a show to
Kyle: do here. Uh, well, lemme tell you what happened, John. I, I was watching Agent Elvis. I wrapped it up with Elvis and then I fell asleep, uh, somewhere in the middle of Nixon and Elvis and, uh, you know, woke up like this.
And his butler can attest. Uh, it's a hard accident to get rid.
John: Oh, man. You got Butler syndrome here, huh? Oh, yeah. Listen, I'm, I only need you to look me in the eyes here. Make lock eye contact. I'm locking in. Repeat after me blue. Repeat after me. Doogie haer. Doogie Hauser. Step by
Kyle: step. Step by step. Free.
Rollups through Rollups. Swat cats. Swat Cats. Nutty bars. Nutty bars.
John: Oprah, Kyle, these are things from, from your childhood. Oprah, not Elvis's. Okay. Oprah. Oh, wait. Well there he is.
Kyle: Kyle, can you hear me? Yeah. Yeah. Are you there? Douggie Hauser.
John: Dougie Hauser. Nutty Bars. Nutty bars. If you're scaring us [00:03:00] there, you're scaring.
Do you see Carl over there? Sweating?
Kyle: Wait, what am I wearing? I, I'll look ridiculous. Look, Kyle, you're not Elvis.
John: Okay? And you do look ridiculous. Carl, can we. Get something for him.
Kyle: Uh, juan, uh, why don't you place something while let's change out of this.
Welcome, welcome, welcome yet again to another episode of the Not So Late Show. Man. It has been a weird couple of weeks away from this place, but I'm glad to be back in the Studio
I've been sleeping on a, in a, in. Sleeping bag in the middle of the
stairs, just waiting. You've sent me a couple very sad texts. Well, you know, I've
been
John: [00:04:00] keeping busy here. You know me. I got my tv, I got all my
Kyle: apps. Yep, yep. No, it's been it's been weird but thank you guys for tuning in and checking on us for one. just being involved with us still as some members of the team have been busy.
Busy. Busy in the background, relocating some things, but we are back, baby. We are back. Feels good. Juan. Good to see you, John. Of course, my friend. Good to have you here. Oh yeah, no, Fred in the studio currently. Of course. Uh, He was here all week working on some odds and ends. Guess he's cooking up a real big story, so we'll have to see what he comes up with.
Fred's always working on something kind of nuts. Oh. He's
John: always chasing the next big lead, so
Kyle: gotta give him his props. Yep. He's always going down a rabbit hole of sorts.
John: Yeah, and speaking of, I said I was bored. I was here, I was, I have my sleeping bag. I have my Netflix. I've been watching a lot of Paramount Plus lately, this new key for Sutherland [00:05:00] Rabbit Hole.
It's just really great. Have you checked it out?
Kyle: No, I haven't seen it yet. Man I love the marketing campaign, the bright colors and all that. It looks like it's very well done. It's definitely
twisty.
John: I know you're a fan of M. Night . I know you love a good twist. Yes. This show is full of every episode is a new twist, so definitely
Kyle: check it out.
I will. I will. Most definitely. excited to see this next documentary the Alligator King. I'm sure Netflix is already working on it. Of course, this woman just turned in a large alligator after a divorce because she said she could no longer take care of the alligator. Affectionately called Big Mac and this was
John: uh, big Mac, the alligator in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
How that, right
Kyle: around the corner, man. Yeah. First I thought to myself, wow, these people are crazy. But then I realized PA is actually the crazy ones for allowing that to be a scenario to exist.
John: Yeah, man. Pennsylvania. Wow. What's next? You [00:06:00] know if they probably do a allow tiger. But, uh, while we're talking about animal news, did you hear about this sugar bear out in the
Kyle: uk?
No, don't tell me about
John: it. Well, this bear was apparently pretty thirsty cuz it broke into a woman's car and drank about 30 cans of Crush Orange soda. Sounds a lot like me in 2005 after a long night of HALO 2. I know some people out there, uh, feel that I was.
Aging myself there.
Kyle: Im a KILLZONE guy myself, who loves orange soda, bear loves orange soda.
Oh god. Uh, in South Carolina, a teen caught his arm and they claw machine reaching in to get a prize and a medical response team, fire department, the whole thing had to come to rescue. Listen.
Listen Kyle, I'm fine. Okay. It was really not that bad. Once the medical team arrived, they were [00:07:00] super nice. They got me right out of there.
And everyone was actually really cool. The owner actually cracked open the machine, gave me a prize at the end of the day. So really don't see why there's a big story on all these news websites. Like it's not a big deal.
What's odd was that they didn't cover the fact that the amount of time that took for them to realize that you were not a teen when you kept saying, I have one gray hair.
Because for that 30, 40 minute window there, they kept trying to find your parents.
John: First off, my parents are horrified with the voicemails. Second, I've been talking to Carl all morning about, I know he is busy and maybe this isn't important to everyone in the studio, but to me it's important.
Can we correct these news stories? Cuz this is going to my resume and they call me a team here.
Kyle: It's crazy. Oh man. Speaking of young people, maybe a little bit younger here, a toddler just crawled through the perimeter fence, the White House, making him the [00:08:00] tiniest and youngest intruder in the history of the executive mansion.
Oh man.
John: I hope he's gonna be all right. Typically, someone could get prison time for an act as a, he just says trespassing on the White House property.
Kyle: What's that like? 14, 18 months. Are we talking swaddles or Cruisers.
John: Mean, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day, he can just crawl right through the bars anyway.
Kyle: That's true. That's true. Yeah. What's gonna keep him out of keep him in the prison if he can crawl through the White House? Pretty crazy, man. And it's true, guys. This is real news. that's the weirdest part. So this lady went into a cave where 500 days ago, allegedly, she went into the cave to study the effects of isolation. Crazy.
John: Wow. How brave. Listen, give me tv, Xbox, internet, all the right supplies, and I'll gladly contribute to the cause for as long as anybody needs.
Kyle: That just sounds like a lockdown without the internet.
Sounds all right to me,[00:09:00] When they opened the door to the cave, however, they heard the sound of Bob Marley faintly in the distance. They also detect the order of Petly. Incense. Oh, and I'm quoting here. Fine. Chiba. Oh, is that what the authorities said?
That's what the authorities said. Fine. Chiba. Of course, when she came out her first words were happy four 20. Man. I knew it. Here is our friend Nessie, the.
All right. And welcome back how are you feeling buddy?
NE$$Y The Rilla: Yo, what's going on Kyle? I feel great, man. How you feeling?
Kyle: Doing good, buddy. Good to have you back. It just felt right to have you back on the [00:10:00] show. I know you were here to kick us off episode one.
But to have you back here it just felt like a full circle moment. You have been killing it as always, but some huge mentions here. Some of these publications that have had your name run across it has been insane. You've had. Two songs on sound of X, y, z in the top 20 at for a couple weeks.
You had one at, in the top five and one in the top 10 at the same time. And you still have a song in the top 20 now absolutely insane it's crazy. I feel like a year has passed since you've been on here, even though it's only been, a few short.
NE$$Y The Rilla: No, definitely. It's been insane, man. The time of the space just flies, like none other. But it is been very humbling. Like you work so hard at something and you have faith for something. It's so long, and just to see it finally coming to fruition, like it's truly humbling and a blessing.
Yeah, man it's just been a hell of a [00:11:00] time and I'm just excited to keep going, keep making you guys. Absolutely, man,
Kyle: it, it's, to see what happened last week in N F T N Y C so many huge people in this space. New to the space and have their own, accolades outside of the space.
You got Styles P you got people from some communities that we know, snuggle buddies to mention one, and, throwing these concerts. You got Sammy Arga, all these people going everywhere. Rae, Emma. It's nuts, man. I really don't know where to start. There's no end.
It's just an entourage of amazingness that's coming from the web three space, especially in the music realm, but you got a lot of stuff in the works. So I want to talk a little bit about what you have coming with open minds as well. But first off, I wanna take a deep dive just into a little bit of the person that you are and what kind of helps shape you.
So let's take a step in that direction for a moment. But if for some [00:12:00] reason you are just hearing Nessie and just hearing his name or hearing his music for the first time, could you tell him a little bit about yourself and.
Coming from Detroit and how that kind of shaped and influenced the direction of your music.
NE$$Y The Rilla: Oh, of course. Yeah, man. Born and raised in Detroit, that's my home. It literally made me, that city made me, and I was surrounded by music at all times. So whether I was in church and I would be hearing the choir sing or the band rehearsing whether I was outside at home and I would hear all the auto shops up and down the street, playing West Coast vibes whether I was in the house, my parents were playing like the Winans and all that.
No matter what, I was just surrounded by music. So I feel like it was inevit. For me to be the artist that I am. Yeah, born and raised in Detroit, like I said really I got into music because I felt like it gave me a voice, a lot of times growing up I felt like I wasn't heard or my opinion didn't matter, so I would just be in my room writing a lot in my note.
Kind of just writing down how I felt or [00:13:00] writing down little raps. I used to sit by the I used to sit by the record player and the CD player, cassette player, whatever it was, and I would just record tracks off of the radio and just loop 'em myself. So that way I would have little instrumentals to write to, so No way.
Kyle: Yeah. That's incredible. We've grown up in a pretty incredible time, man. We had access to the Winans and the weigh-ins. We were raised on some of the best, out there. No, definitely. But no that's cool man. It really is coming, growing up, listening to records and tapes, any of that physical media, it really gives you I think such a different appreciation for music.
And how tangible it is because we experienced it in a tangible setting. But, moving into, I remember even moving into streaming and having iTunes, but buying the conflict between buying albums on iTunes or some other digital platform versus buying the album. It was kinda like, oh man, there's no [00:14:00] art artwork.
There's no lyric book. But now that's all changed. All that stuff is included. There's a little bit. Going on to it. But no, it's just interesting to see how the space with music and how the industry continues to evolve, but it's been led by individuals like yourself who are pushing, movements in the next medium forward.
NE$$Y The Rilla: Great job. I appreciate it, man. I can't take all the effort though, you know what I'm saying? That's the beautiful thing about being in this space. I've only been here a year. There's people that have been here way before me, and they've laid out the path for me to do what I do. If it wasn't for the spotty wifis and the villas and the Sammy's, the Rays, the Josh's, I wouldn't be here.
So I definitely gotta get credit to where it's due, and I'm just trying to keep that momentum going forward. That's why any opportunities that I. I always pay it forward. Like I had a, I performed five times at N ft N yc. That's crazy. And I was able to, yeah. And I was able to have one of my friends [00:15:00] dope Dilla from Detroit, somebody I grew up with in music.
He's not in web three. I've been trying to get him in for months, telling him to come in. He's been his spaces, but he hasn't been to a i l event. And I had the pleasure of actually bringing him on my. And letting the people, you know what I'm saying, show him love. And he was like, yo, this is insane.
These people have never heard me, never met you before. And they're showing me more love than I probably felt from people that have known me a rope for me my whole life. So it's just opportunities like that, that I live for, like we just gotta keep working together, keep pressing on and just remember we all humans at the end of.
Kyle: Yeah, absolutely. It really is. And it's a conversation that, that echoes over and over again. As I've spoken to some people you just mentioned to have this, community almost it's like a built-in patriot almost to explain to people that aren't in this space quite yet, or they're just jumping in the amount of people that are plugging in.
And supportive and liking and retweeting and [00:16:00] sharing music is so much greater than what we've seen, in the digital platforms before. Because as Emma has mentioned, and you've talked about before as well, there isn't a way to really grab a hold of the people that are listening on Spotify or on Apple Music.
There's not a platform really. In a way where you can target those people other than, for tour purposes, you know what I'm saying? It's it's such a difference outlet. And so now to be able to have this platform where people can engage with you on Twitter or Instagram And invest and feel like they're part of the journey cuz they literally have been is such a rewarding thing for, your fans that are accumulating rapidly. But for you as well, to be able to get to know people across state lines, country lines time zones is absolutely insane. The amount of people that we meet on here.
What would you say has been your favorite thing? Which I probably mentioned one of them would be the community, but one of [00:17:00] your favorite things, maybe in addition to a community that you've experienced in the web three space versus traditional releases in the past. Oh, man.
NE$$Y The Rilla: Um, I would have to say one thing that I like more is just the genuine, the genuine people.
Like it's not about, What you have, it's not about what clothes you have, what car you have. It's just about you as a person. You don't have to put on a facade, you know what I'm saying? You can just be yourself and there will be people that accept you. Obviously everybody won't accept you, but there will be somebody that hears you and accepts you.
You know? So that's a very powerful thing. Cause for years I felt like I had to kind of put on a facade. You know, being where I'm from and there's street politics and everything. I felt like I had to be a certain way in order to get my shine. .
Kyle: as you mentioned there, it's, it's the freedom of people just experiencing whatever you're, [00:18:00] you're putting out there,
NE$$Y The Rilla: yeah, and also like being able to talk to me like every single day. Yeah. You know what, what artists do you know that's coming up or famous that you're able to talk to every single day for free? Not having to pay for a V I P ticket, you know what I'm saying? You're able to talk to them every single day.
You're able to see their growth every single day right in front of you, or you can't get that in web two. So, It's like, why wouldn't I gravitate to somewhere where the people are? You know what I'm saying? Like, I've tried something for years, it didn't work. Now there's something new and exciting. I can try and learn it, and then at the same time, I can be in anybody's family room from all over the world, from the comfort of where I'm at.
You know what I'm saying? I can share my music with them and they can just simply click my Twitter and tap in with all my information.
Kyle: Yeah, absolutely. How would you say, creating a song and how you put out a release.
What have been the major differences that you've noticed between releasing traditionally and releasing
NE$$Y The Rilla: in web three? Um, one [00:19:00] thing I can say about releasing traditionally, Is, I feel like there is kind of a lose losee because unless you have that marketing from a label or that backing from a label, you're never going to get to everywhere you want to be in terms of visibility because of the algorithms, you know, versus in web three, if I have a drop coming, not only is it gonna be pushed by the platform that's dropping it.
That's what they doing with three. But also I can go around the spaces and post a link at the top of the space for everybody to see about the song. I can go in there and play the actual song, talk about the actual song, what it means to me, how I created it. You know, I can actually go through the audience and click their PFPs.
I can follow them, send them a personal message, Hey, I got this song coming out. You know, like you couldn't do. Like you could in Instagram or any of the other social media platforms, like you [00:20:00] can, but it's not gonna work to the same effects because it's not as personal. Like, you know, it's different when you hear somebody telling their story, then you want to support them because you're actually hearing who they are versus just seeing, oh, I have this coming out.
You know? Right.
Kyle: I feel like a precursor to this, particularly in, in hip hop. And I hate the term people use the term YouTube rapper, but I know the intention just means that they, this rapper made it on the platform, YouTube, that's where they found their audience. Yeah. But that was really like the first place where you saw people coming up.
Without a label and being able to, track, even though it's maybe a clunkier way to do be able to interact with people and point people to socials and you've seen some people do that well, so to be able to do that in a way where you can focus your efforts on putting out great music great Pete Melody, what have you and throw some, fresh lyrics on it really has changed what I think the [00:21:00] opportunity to put something out well packaged. And that be the focus as opposed to all the other extra chems, like you said, the marketing and the video was always the big thing you were always focused on in the YouTube days was, oh, you gotta have a great video, so people will watch it.
And now you can just have people focus on the music and the lyrics and the meaning behind it. What would you say some of the biggest challenges you had breaking into releasing music on a blockchain?
NE$$Y The Rilla: honestly, the biggest issue would have to be just learning it. You know, I feel like I still haven't learned everything. And that is a beautiful thing about the space because everything is like an experimentation and you're trying to figure out what works best, but at the same time, like it's just kind of overwhelming at times cuz it is so much to learn, you know, from all different types of blockchains.
And just trying to figure out not only what do people want to hear, but what do you want to put out there, you know? I feel [00:22:00] like those, that would be the biggest challenge for me right now, because there's so much I want to say, I just don't know how to say it, you know? Right. So it's just, and there's no roadmap, really.
Yeah. You know, there is no blueprint. We're literally making the blueprint. Yeah. Like people tell me all the time, like, oh, you're such a pioneer, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, honestly, like I'm just learning. You know? I'm just doing what I feel and doing what I feel is right, and hoping and praying that people support me with it, you know?
So yeah,
Kyle: maybe you can write the blueprint 4,
NE$$Y The Rilla: hey, I mean, I'm not against it at all. You know, that's another thing about being here so early in this space, like, I'm gonna look back at this a year from now, five years from now, 10 years from now, and be like, yo, I was there in the. Maybe not in the very beginning, but I was there to cause a shift.
You know, just like Pac said, like, I might not be the one to change the world, but I'm definitely gonna be the one that, that makes that spark in order to shift it
Kyle: and change it. Yeah, [00:23:00] absolutely. And honestly, of course blockchain has been around for many years, but the music on blockchain has not been, that's only been.
Just a couple of years, barely a couple of years at this point, which is really insane. Honestly, on some of these platforms like Open Sea there wasn't a good way to even put music on there. And if you did, and they had an app, it didn't at first, didn't react with it.
I remember the first time I uploaded a song on the blockchain. In the Open Sea app where you can have that window portal, yeah. You couldn't go click on your song and play it, even though it was, there was a music section, it just didn't work properly. Now some of those bugs are getting worked out, so you know, you're seeing these big platforms figured out the same time as the artist are figuring out.
And honestly they're learning a lot of what they do from the artists and platforms like Sounded X, Y, Z, which I'm a big fan. Are taking that feedback from the collectors, from the creators to try to create something [00:24:00] that is easy as use, creates more adoption, and just makes the experience seamless between the creator and the end user or
NE$$Y The Rilla: listener.
No, definitely shout out to Sound XYZ and Meme nft. Those are two platforms that have specifically reached out to. In terms of what could be better, you know, and ask for my feedback. So definitely shout out to them. Yeah,
Kyle: me, n f t guys are super cool for sure. What was the first time, in this space that you. Thought. Okay. There's something to this. I'm sure there was a couple of 'em, but what was the big one that, that made you push harder in this direction?
NE$$Y The Rilla: Um, so I feel like there were a couple that were kind of milestones for me. Um, no disrespect of course to any other communities that I worked with because I definitely. Working with each and every single one as well as every single song and anthem that [00:25:00] I got to create with them. I love every single one, but, um, I would have to say the first one, beat me up with abducting them efforts.
That one really made me realize like, whoa, like people can actually support you without even meeting you in real life, and they actually want you to go further. You know, and it was just, It was such a rush. It was such a rush, honestly, because I just remember seeing the mens come in and it went up to like, I think like 50 within like five minutes.
And this was the first time I've ever minted anything. So I was just like, whoa, like what is happening? You know? Like it was kind of surreal because they were meant to, we meant to. I think we started at like 0.02, then I went up to 0.03, then I went up to 0.04 and this was back in May. This was like, [00:26:00] yeah, this was May of 2022.
So like for me, that was just a lot. Like, it was just like a lot, you know? It was a huge blessing for sure though. And it was a realization like, yo, you gotta keep going. You know what I'm saying? Like this is definitely where you need to be. Like these people actually support you. So I just had to. And then I went to learn more.
So then that led me to create more themes. And I feel like the next highlight was, um, it was the, honestly, it was like a, it was the crypto homies one, but it was really the n f A one that like took me to a different place.
Kyle: Like yeah, that song's fire both of Omar, but I love that one.
NE$$Y The Rilla: Yeah, the N F A.
That was one that I literally just sat back after creating it, and I just sat there and just stared at the computer for a minute because I was. How did, like how did this [00:27:00] creation come out of me in a sense? Not even to sound like boastful or whatever, but yeah, it was just humbling, like that I actually created this and this is something that like I truly love and like I can play it over and over.
I can picture myself like in the car banging it. Like I was just really proud of it, you know? And to be able to work with N F A and Sid, him giving me that opportunity, not once, but. You know, like that was something that I hold near and dear to my heart. So those were definitely, um, those were definitely, I'd say three of the major ones that stuck out.
You know, there's a lot of moments we would be here all day, honestly, talking about 'em, for sure. I would say those are the three biggest ones.
Kyle: That's awesome. No very cool. I remember Sid reaching out to me and saying yeah, we got this guy. He is gonna, and obviously I had heard some stuff you did, but honestly, I was so far behind the scenes for almost really seven months.
I was just like, not really out in [00:28:00] the space at all. Working on stuff in the background for NFA and crypto homies. And so I'd be aware of things, but I want to be as plugged in as I would've liked to have been. Just cuz I was focused on other things. And he goes, yeah, we got Nest. He's into this track.
I'm like, all right, cool. Not really thinking, too much of it. He's here's. Here's one beat. Here's this. I'm like, oh, that's cool. And then when he sent me the track on done, I was like, yo, what is this? But that was for crypto hos, of course. But then when you did the n f a one, man yeah that's fire.
If you guys haven't heard that, I'll get that linked in the podcast notes as well. But no, man it's been insane. And for anyone who's created music like you said, 50 minutes, that might not sound like a lot to somebody, but in a world where you can't get people to stream a song for free at no cost, to have 50 people show up and pay 10, 20, $30 for a track is insane.
It's such a, it's on the total opposite spectrum. Of the [00:29:00] streaming world and what we have come, become accustomed to when you're first starting out it's just such a drastic difference,
NE$$Y The Rilla: literally. Cause, I mean, think about it guys. When you listen to music, you listen on a streaming platform, a streaming platform that you have to pay for a b, the artist has to pay a distribution company in order to get it on set streaming.
And C, we're only getting 0 cents per stream if that. So if you do the math, it's not adding up. All the money is going to the streaming platforms. Meanwhile, in web three, there is no middleman. We can literally drop music and it will go straight to you guys, and the funds will go straight to us without having to wait for a check.
I know so many writers in the industry that have written hit songs and they are still waiting on those checks from 2, 3, 4 years ago. It's ridiculous. You know what I'm saying? So this is just such an innovative way, not only to [00:30:00] let. Liquidity, go to where it's deserved and where it needs to be, but to also connect with the fan base and the community that we have and actually raise the value of the asset.
So that way if something comes up, God forbid that they need to sell it or they need to list it, then they can do so and make a profit and understand that like, wow, I built this bond with this artist. You know what I'm saying? And they've helped me in my own
Kyle: situ. Yeah, absolutely. And it really is insane too because like you said there's, writers are such a huge part of the music, industry the whole machine of it.
some people are lucky enough to be able to compose their own stuff, write their own lyrics. But there's so many talented artists, vocalist, singers that don't have that. but they work with writers to try to get out their thoughts or their, their feelings and put it to song.
And those people get lost. You see a few of 'em pop back a very scarce amount of them pop up as their own artist, later on putting out their own songs. And you find out like, oh, this person [00:31:00] wrote this song. That's funny. I thought that song was written by Rihanna or Eminem or whoever.
But there's this whole industry of people riding a lot of these tracks. It's crazy. But yeah to remove that, that worry of, when am I gonna get paid, when am I gonna get royalties? And some of those contracts are just insane too because the payout might not happen to after a certain amount of streams or album sales.
And those can be really high numbers.
NE$$Y The Rilla: it's truly ridiculous, man. And that's why I'm just thankful to be in this space and to be able to grow it, you know what I'm saying? And to be able to just find a new way and just just de brainwash everybody that I know that's our artists. You know what I'm saying?
Cause that's what, that's what's happened. We've been brainwashed to think that we need the labels, but we really don't. All we need is our.
Kyle: Yeah, 100%. You've been doing a great job of that just jumping in and [00:32:00] embracing communities they, in return have done the same and have embraced you.
I, I haven't seen somebody else. There is a lot of people in the space that blend a lot of communities. But you are in near a hundred communities, it seems. I swear that might be the actual number because you are everywhere, man. Every time I see you somewhere, I'm just like, what the heck? He knows these guys.
I guess it doesn't surprise me anymore, but for a long time I was like, I just can't believe Nessie still in spaces right now. We're still, putting out another track for this community or another track on your own. Man, you are Popp. How many songs, just off the top of your head, how many songs have you released since that first one?
In March, or, I'm sorry, in May of 2022.
NE$$Y The Rilla: So theme songs I've done at least 90. And then, um, the just regular songs I've done at least 20.
Kyle: That's how many albums worth the, that's like six albums worth of music. Yeah, man. That you put out since, uh, I mean, really, [00:33:00] oh, not even a year yet.
Yeah,
NE$$Y The Rilla: man. I mean, it's just, it's, it's the love of it, honestly. Like, especially I got twins now, man, you know, so it's like that just gave me this extra battery pack and it's just like, yo, like, enough isn't enough. You know? Like there's always somebody to meet, there's always a, a community to tap in with.
There's always somebody who doesn't know who you are. You know? There's always something to learn, so why not just go out? And the worst thing that can happen is you learn something that doesn't necessarily fit you, and you're just like, okay, that doesn't work for me. But at the same time, you're still learning something about yourself.
So it's a dub.
Kyle: We'll take those wins for sure. Now you have this next project launching here. Any alpha you can tell us about your upcoming project? Open Minds.
NE$$Y The Rilla: Of course, uh, I do have a project coming out called Open Minds. Um, it will be paired with 3D art by the legendary Dino Belli.
If you guys don't know, he is [00:34:00] the artist of snuggle buddies as well as pharmacy phantoms and a lot of other projects. But what really stuck out to me about Dino's artist is that it makes me feel, you know, like this. That's what I'm all about. I want my music to make people feel. So when I saw his. It was a no-brainer.
I had to pair with him. And, uh, it's gonna be 1,110 editions in honor of my twin's birthday, 1110. And there's going to be a thousand editions available for Mint. There's going to be a hundred that are available as a free airdrop or a free mint, um, for all of my real game music pass holders. And then there will also be 10 reserves for the.
So within those 1,110 editions, it will be split between 10 songs that will be on the album of the project. And basically this space gave me an open mind, you know, so I just really wanted to [00:35:00] lay that all out there in a music form. You know, I see music as a highway and a lot of people say, I'm a rapper, I'm a singer, I'm this, I'm that.
And I just wanna show all my artists, you know, I swerved throughout all the lengths and I just do what I feel. So I'm really excited to showcase you guys different types of genres, you know, different types of sounds you wouldn't necessarily think you would hear from me, but I'm just ready to lay it all out there and be vulnerable, you know, and hopefully have you guys pull strength.
My testimony and my struggles, you know, and, uh, there's definitely, I don't wanna drop too much alpha, you know, you guys gotta tap into the discord, but there definitely will be utilities paired with it. I'm all about not only giving tangible things, but also experiences. You know, I really want to bring some light to you guys' lives and see the smiles come up on your faces and surprise you guys with a lot of things.
So definitely keep an open mind, stay tapped in. Uh, the best thing I would say right now [00:36:00] is to get a real game music pass. Um, that's your best bet. And to having your own copy of Open Minds. And as well as that, you also get free monthly music airdrops. Uh, you get 25% rebate on my one of one collection, and I'm holding an I R L event at the end of the year, you know what I'm saying?
To celebrate all of my dres that support me. So definitely gonna be a great
Kyle: time. Awesome. Awesome. How many passes are are left?
NE$$Y The Rilla: Right? So there's a hundred total. Right now we're sitting at number 47, so there are 53 left. We're almost at 50% mark, so I know that they're gonna be going pretty soon, pretty fast.
So definitely tap in.
Kyle: Yeah, absolutely. And that's, you always got my support, man. Ever since I got plugged back in your grind and just everything it. It's that Detroit and Yeman, it creates this, uh, this work, uh, this work ethic, that's just absolutely insane. And I [00:37:00] encourages anybody to tap in and watch what he's doing because he is creating a blueprint along with some of his friends in this space in regards to music and and pretty soon in regards to NFTs and how those can be paired.
With music as well. Any advice that you'd like to leave you've already given us quite a bit to be honest, but anything else you'd like to leave with anybody who's thinking about dabbling in this space and getting involved?
NE$$Y The Rilla: Well, number one, uh, definitely. If you're coming into the space and you're new, the biggest suggestion I could say, starting off is to do your own research.
And when you're in the spaces, just sit and listen for a minute. You know? I know a lot of times the spaces can get entertaining and you want to jump up and just, you know, like interact and that's cool. Don't get me wrong. But as a musician, sometimes it is just better to sit and listen, you know, get a vibe of the room, hop to different spaces, you know.
And find out what works for [00:38:00] you. You don't always have to go with the crowd. Sometimes it's made for you to make your own crowd. So I would definitely suggest that. But uh, once you do find that crowd and that family, then just support, support and let them know what you do. Be honest. Be yourself and just show.
You know, obviously you can't be here every day. You have to take your breaks. It's all about balance, but it's just really about showing up at the end of the day, just being here for one another cuz we're all humans at the end of the day. And, uh, manifestation is real. That's another thing, like your thoughts, your words, very powerful.
So, You gotta watch what you say. You gotta watch what you do. You gotta watch what you think. Just think positive thoughts. This industry, this market can be very trying, but it's really the connection and relationships you build within this industry and this space [00:39:00] that are gonna get you through it. So always gotta hold that head high, you know what I'm saying?
Know who you are. Never let this space like take away your worth or make you forget who you are. And just remember to always keep the love around you. And if you do that, then there's no way you're gonna lose. Because the way that we're going and the places that we're going, you know, it is like two infinity and beyond.
So,
Kyle: Solid words. Manna, you've said it before there, the difference between getting it done and not is simply, Doing it or not. It's like there's a lot of things that go into that but the biggest thing is just doing it because you don't lose till you quit. And I think you tweeted that just recently and you tweeted that before something similar.
And I think those awards to live by last, almost last I guess, but not least. Any advice or [00:40:00] just you talked a little bit about staying true to yourself, not letting this space, dictate that. Any additional advice on how to make that a reality?
NE$$Y The Rilla: it's just all about balance.
You know, like, just like there's web three, you also have your in real life situations. So by maintaining that, it'll be a lot easier for you to function in Web three. Cause if you're in Web three way too much, then it can affect, it will affect your i r. And then that's gonna affect how you move in web three.
So definitely always make sure that you're taking care of your family. You know what I'm saying? Like I know a lot of these DJ plays sometimes seem amazing and like, oh my God, but it's not worth risking something that you need, you know? So always just make smart moves out here. Do your own research, and you know, just always just straight true.
And the real ones are always gonna come. Your tribe is always gonna come to you. [00:41:00] That's one thing I've definitely noticed. Oh, that's
Kyle: awesome, man. I know the bull song was your it was an awesome release on sound of X, Y, Z. Huge track. I've loved that track ever since you played it for me and I know it's been just a huge hit.
When we said that you were coming back to this show, everybody was so pumped oh, the bull song. It's so great. Could you tell us a little bit about just the experience with dropping that track? Cuz we'll close out the show with this song. Cause this song is incredible.
It's super hype. It gets you amped. It's this, to me, this is like a wake up and let's get it type, song or workout and let's get it. Anytime. You wanna just refocus and go for it. like an anthem for that. But You had some great success in the top 10 for at least three weeks with that track.
Any other highlights you wanna share
NE$$Y The Rilla: about that track? No, definitely. I appreciate it. Uh, yeah, that'd be my first solo drop on sound. Xyz. You know, it was really an honor and a privilege to see the [00:42:00] community come out and support the way they did, you know? Um, Sorry, I'm just thinking about it. You know, it was just, it was a special time because it's just a reminder that like, yo, like this is what I did it for.
Like I made that song at a moment where the bull market was not anywhere in sight. It was just nothing but bear. And it was just a lot of negativity in the space, and I just wanted to create something that everybody could dance to and smile to, you know what I'm saying? And get them energized. And the fact that that's exactly what it's doing.
I have nothing but a smile on my face. So we have 568 minutes, you know, it's a blessing. And you only, we only gonna keep going further from here. Uh, I have my next sound drop coming this week on Friday. Uh, April 21st, I will be having a song minting called Breathe, as well as next Friday, uh, April 28th, I will be minting a song with smarts from pigeons of New York, uh, called 1000 Ways, or [00:43:00] Excuse me, it's called 1000 Words.
And both of those will be minted on sound, xyz. So definitely stick around and listen to those. But, uh, until, You know, you guys can definitely tap in and listen to the bull song on all secondary marketplaces, and yeah, it's a vibe. So I hope you guys got your dancer shoes on.
Kyle: And here is the latest release from Nessie Ther the Bull song.
Bull.
[00:45:00] Ain't no we Alright, John? Uh, that was a pretty good show, man. I gotta say, uh, Kyle. Kyle.
John: Kyle. Oprah. Yes, sir. Oprah. You're not
Kyle: Oprah. Oprah. Elvis. Oprah. Oprah. Okay, got it. Remember Pookie Hauser, Oprah? Yeah. Swat Cats. Fruit Rollups, nuty Bars. Gushers, nutty Bear.
Scott. Remember the nineties? Thanks, man. Wow. Oh, this is a, this is a. Somebody's gotta help Butler. I'm telling you man, he needs professional help. He needs professional help. Uh, he needs a John. At least. I'm
John: gonna sentiment Carl, when you're done correcting those news sources for me in South Carolina,
Kyle: let him know I'm available.
He just sent me a shaking head emoji. Oh, he is using emojis now. He a memes and emojis are just like incredible forte now. No, man, it was a good time. Great time, obviously. Great to have. Super messy mega episode. Super messy mega episode. Yep. That's the title. Episode one to episode 10 in just the progress we've seen with him in just that short time to me is not, is [00:46:00] insane. There were so many things we could have talked about. And there just isn't enough time in the length of our show to cover everything cause there's so much stuff. Absolutely. So we did hop around a little more than what I originally intended, but again, there's just, he's doing so much.
So y you guys gotta plug in. Make sure you plug in all his socials, make sure you're streaming his album. With love from the blockchain, which is available on all streaming sites. We didn't even talk about that. Like I said, he's doing a lot. Great stuff. John. I know that people are, excited that we're back, as are we, but what can they listen to until next week? For one, Be sure to subscribe to the podcast on your favorite platform, and if we're not there, let us know and we will get that done. Secondly, if you haven't heard any of the past episodes, take a peep and see some of the people we've talked to.
We've talked to some pretty brilliant people. Even if you haven't heard of them, be sure to check it out. We've had some pretty, a pretty wide spectrum of guests. We've had a lot of [00:47:00] musicians lately, but a wide spectrum of personalities and talents. Definitely something in the back catalog to listen.
Till next week. But also we have another great podcast recommendation. The man, the myth, the legend. One of them behind the show, the Midnight gospel that was on Netflix. Man. Wanna talk about a little John. Yeah.
John: He's back with new episodes. Duncan Trestle, family Hour. Really freaky stuff. If you enjoyed the.
Episode where we're, Kyle did a little more freaky talk during the interview about, you know, cool stuff. Uh, it's a really cool podcast and I think everyone should check it out, especially if you liked that show. But even if you didn't or never saw it, it's very cool existential topics that you know. We'll blow your mind honestly, every episode.
Incredible interviews.
Kyle: Yeah, he's definitely a smart person. And it might not be everybody's cup of tea, but I think he adds some value with some of the [00:48:00] topics that he covers. And he brings on all kinds of people from all different walks of life. Oh, yeah. Which is what you and I enjoy a lot.
It's a great podcast. Once again shout out to the team. I know it was it was nice to get a little bit of a break, but we're back at it going strong. Shout out to our guys. Ry, you kill it, Nick. Every week. John my. Trustee co-host with the most Fred Anderson out there somewhere in the beyond, coming up with the next latest, greatest story, and of course, Juan.
Our good friend leading the not so late band, couldn't do it without any of you. Maybe I could, but I just wouldn't be as good. So I'm just being honest. I wouldn't want to do it any other way. So appreciate you guys' support it's good to be back. John. Feeling swell. Looking forward to next.
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